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I spent five minutes surfing at youtube and came up with these two gems.
I know there's much, much more out there but I thought we'd posit this
discussion in the positive rather than the negative ('why so few female drummers')
Brazillian drummer Vera Figueiredo
www.youtube.com/watch
and
Emmanuelle Caplette (who I assume is french but don't know for sure)
www.youtube.com/watch
Emmanuelle has really impressively clean technique and time!
I know there's much, much more out there but I thought we'd posit this
discussion in the positive rather than the negative ('why so few female drummers')
Brazillian drummer Vera Figueiredo
www.youtube.com/watch
and
Emmanuelle Caplette (who I assume is french but don't know for sure)
www.youtube.com/watch
Emmanuelle has really impressively clean technique and time!
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, August 22, 2008 - 5:58 AM
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, August 22, 2008 - 6:18 AMnot too shabby
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, August 22, 2008 - 6:23 AMCindy Blackman is AWESOME!!! I love watching her. She is full of energy and just completely incredible. I'm sure that's why she plays with Lenny Kravitz. Cuz she's one of the best.
www.youtube.com/results
www.cindyblackman.com/
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:07 AMUh, sorry to bother you, but are there more female drummers if you put it the positive way?
I visit a lot of concerts (mainly rock) and I didn't see one female drummer until now. That doesn't mean there aren't any but I still believe that there are by far fewer female drummers than male drummers. And putting it the positive way doesn't change a thing about it. Or does it?
Regards,
LeDude
PS: If I search on youtube for 5 mins, I get many more than two gems. I checked it out... -
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, August 22, 2008 - 5:56 PMThere probably are more males than females in rock bands period. Being positive or negative doesnt change this. No. I suppose being positive is preferrable over being negative though. If I was a female musician and there was some obvious prevention of women being allowed to pursue their ambitions then I'd be pissed. Even as a male I would be pissed. But there isn't. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that age, gender, race, etc... don't really affect success. Youre either good and working at it or not. I'm not sure why there are fewer female than male drummers. Maybe less women are interested in beating on drums. It's not necessarily a male thing but I think more males are interested in beating the shit out of a drum kit than females. It's like asking why there are so many less males that enjoy playing with Barbie Dolls or working at jobs that typically more women are interested in. Like why are there so many more women that are maids or nannies? Why don't men do that? Why are more females waitresses than there are male waiters? Is it a sexist society that on one hand practices one thing and says it's bad and denies it on the other?
I guess I'm going off on a tangent. I joined this tribe because I saw the first post on this thread on the main page when I signed on and it looked cool. Just thought I'd post the first two that came to mind. So hello everyone. Glad to be here. Looks like a fun tribe. -
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Sat, August 23, 2008 - 11:19 PMWell, to answer Le Dude's post (and sorry for the delay, I've had a gnarly summer cold for the last three days),
it doesn't mean that there are more women drummers if one posits this in a postiive way.
but here's my take on it:
I've taught a few thousand people how to play the drums in my life and an instructor and professional touring/recording drummer
in the past 30 years of teaching and 42 years of drumming.
What I've noticed is that women drummers made up a good 1/4 to 1/3 of my students until the last five years or so
when the number dropped off precipitously.
I think that men and women have biological differences and they also have differences that are acculutrated and it's important to
try and be sensitive to areas where women either are excluded or , worse yet, exclude themselves due to the acculturated
reasons why they are excluded in our culture.
What I have found is that there seems to be no difference between how fast a young girl or a young boy learns how to play the drums............
none at all. In terms of playing strength, there is a definite tendency for women to play quieter and men to play louder
but I honestly think this is based on acculturation and not biology (though biology plays some role in it).
Drumming strength and acumen are not necessarily built on physique and size (some of the shortest male drummers I know are the
hardest hitters) but on flexibilty , dexterity, and speed. Women can easily be taught how to play hard and loud (just as young men can
actually be taught to play sensitivy and with strong dynamics........lol)
Instead, I find that young women (or the one's I've had the pleasure of teaching) generally have a harder time making loud noises.
In our culture, loud and assertive women are labeled masculine with the use of this term as a stigma.
I once had a teacher point out to me that women do not point in arguments in our culture and , if they do, they are ostracized.
Men, conversely, do not break their wrists in public gesticulating without risking the fear of being labeled gay.
If you think of it, the ability to ring one's hands rapidly , is an asset for really good technique, whereas, pointing rigidly is
a detriment to playing well as it is too rigid and inflexible. But we are naturally acculturated to fall into these sexual stereotypes.
What does this all have to do with how many good women drummers there are, you probably are asking by now.
I think that , because we are living in the most conservative times that this country has seen since the middle 1950's,
that conformity in our culture is at an all time high. The stakes are higher if you stand out in this culture.
Consequently, fewer young women are taking the risk of appearing masculine unless they completely eschew the dominant
paradigm (and are labelled as dikes, when sexual preference has nothing to do with it).
So, I think it is incumbant for establlished drummers to actively welcome young (and all aged) women into the drumming fold.
If a young woman can go to youtube and see some of the kick ass drummers mentioned so far in this thread, it gives them the message that , hey, this is possible.
I once played as a substitute for an all women's world beat band that was very successful in the Western United States.
There percussionist (who was an excellent drummer) told me that everywhere she went, women would approach after the
show and say, "I had no idea that women could be so powerful rhythmically............thanks so much, I"m gonna take and African dance class that's offered in the area."
All the good professional woman percussionists that I've played with all brought a fairly idiosyncratic approach to their drumming
and in the long run, the more diversity we have, the more creative we are as community ,
and that, gents, is what we want, right?
Look out the next time you do a gig in front of a lot of people. You'll see people of both sexes who are watching you because
you are a drummer (not just because you are such a hunk, though that can happen too......<smile.)
I think it 's good thing to go up and talk to those people and encourage them to start playing. They are the next generation of kick ass drummers, no matter what their gender is. -
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Sat, August 23, 2008 - 11:20 PMplease forgive me. that word was spelled acculturated.................I mangled it in my first few paragraphs -
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Mon, August 25, 2008 - 11:01 AMNot a problem. (Insert drummer joke here.)
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Tue, August 26, 2008 - 9:57 PMBuh dump bump!!! : ) -
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Sat, August 30, 2008 - 2:54 PMI don't know who she was, but the woman aux percussionist for the Regeneration tour is totally spellbinding. -
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:17 PMWhat band is that? -
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 4:45 PMHey Mickey,
I googled the hell out of this and could not find any mention of a woman drummer for the Regeneration tour.
The closes I got was the original Flock of Seagulls drummer, Ali Score but found out that he's a he.
There are several mentions of a male studio drummer joining the proceedings.
Do you have any more info on who you saw.......what here name was? what bands she backed up?
I'm an old new wave/80's synth pop fan so it would be cool to know.
*******
Also, Peaches had a really slamming heavy rock drummer playing with her band during the last Nine Inch Nails
tour last year. She was a very simple drummer but she had total 'rock authority' and played very solidly and tastefully. -
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 11:19 PMUh, I think Mickey mentioned a percussionist, not a drummer :-) -
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, September 26, 2008 - 12:09 AMYeah. Not behind a set, but on congas...
I have found no new information on her, either.
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 6:41 PMPeaches drummer is Samantha Maloney. She also replaced Patty Schlemel in Hole which is where I first saw her. We share a last name but are not related that I am aware of...
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Re: Some really good women drummers
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 6:44 PMoh, and she also filled in for Randy Castillo during Motley Crue's 2000 tour prior to his death.
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