I just bought a Sabian AAX hand crash. Love the sound, Nice long clear beautiful, and I like the ride Part, sounds great and not too loud for an acoustic Jam.
Now the question. Looking for a Splash that sounds out when played by hand?
What do I buy?
Short sweet loud enough splash.
I'd say 12", and thin?
I play two congas, and a Tumba
With a dead Style / blues, Guitar player, very free fourm Jam.
And I am Just trying to add to the sound alittle.
Little more fun.
Now the question. Looking for a Splash that sounds out when played by hand?
What do I buy?
Short sweet loud enough splash.
I'd say 12", and thin?
I play two congas, and a Tumba
With a dead Style / blues, Guitar player, very free fourm Jam.
And I am Just trying to add to the sound alittle.
Little more fun.
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Fri, May 4, 2007 - 3:15 AMPersonally, I find anything will sound good if you devise a good technique for hitting the cymbal.
I personally like the K custom line for a good splash -
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Fri, May 4, 2007 - 9:39 AMTechnique is the word here.
I had a gig in January where I played a couple of pop songs with my group first. Used the standard 4 piece acoustic kit for that. Then we all changed instruments and stood in front of my traps and played middle eastern riffs to back up a bellydance troupe. So I am banging away on my doumbek, I have a friend playing dun for the bottom part, and I am really missing some splash and sizzle on top. Then I remember: A-ha! I have my drumset cymbals right behind me!
So when the dance started to heat up and kicked into overdrive I began punctuating the movements by turning and slapping my crash, splash and ride cymbals. Sounded great, looked cool, and I spent the next day with my hand in a tub of ice. I was fairly sure I had sprained something.
So, yes, technique, forethought, and don't get carried away by the shimmering wiggliness in front of you. -
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Fri, May 4, 2007 - 12:27 PMWell that made me laugh.
My hands swelling is not what I am worried about any more. I have gotten past that point.
My hands are pretty tough now.
I was also thinking about the K zildjians, because I know they are thin and sound good.
My main problem is The music store is on the main land. I live in the Keys, a good 80 miles
away. So I order on line, instead of going in and banging on every Cymbal to see what I like.
But yes I was looking at K. Thanks for the input guys. -
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Fri, May 4, 2007 - 12:56 PMWhile on the subject of cymbals.... i just thought about something that might or might not have obviously occured to the rest of ya's:
How completely and totally unnecesary sizzle rivets are. My Jazz instructor showed us to just take a peice of tape and a nickel, and tape half of it above the nickel, and half on the nickel, leaving it hanging on the cymbal. Sounded just like any sizzle rivet I had ever heard.
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Fri, May 4, 2007 - 4:48 PMI learned that when I was about 10. Works Good. -
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Sun, May 6, 2007 - 3:51 AMLately I have been on this kick to make cymbals sound more electronic and 'industrial' for lack of a better word.
I've been taking small lengths of various sizes of chains, from serious heavy chain (with only three links on a ride cymbal they are so big)
down to the kinds of chain that you use on light bulbs.
Additionally, I have been on a magnet kick as well.
I recently took two identical cheap Zildjian stamped ride cymbals and put them on top of each other with three really tiny magnets separating them right at the edge of the cymbals so that a very small gap is made. This provides a very interesting sizzle sound.
and, apropos of the original thread, try this if you haven't already.................
hit a heavy ride cymbal with a stick or mallet and the take your hand and pat the cymbal lightly so that your palm is parallel to the surface of the either the edge of the cymbal or the bell. You will create a beautiful comb filtering effect.
This is a really nice way to end a quiet song.........................hit the last note on the edge of your ride cymbal and the
use this technique to 'wah-wah' the sound as it dies out.
You can also lean over and make 'wah-wah' sounds silently with your mouth right over the surface of the cymbal to create a
comb filter effect. This is a very subtle effect so it's good to mic it well.
I have a very heavy Sabian 13" Bell that I use with a mallet in my right hand and the phasing technique with my bare left hand.
You just altrenate strokes mallet/hand/mallet/hand and it sounds exceedingly electronic, especially if you fade the sounds out so that it sounds like you are putting echo on the cymbal.
cheers.
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Thu, July 5, 2007 - 8:05 PMJust giving a update. I really like my new cymbal. ( Sabian AAX hand crash) It can be kinda loud up close on stage.
But even when I think I hit it alittle to hard, on our recording it's just right. I've even learned to pluck the bell, and that is also just loud enough to be heard on the recording. Hitting the bell and ride part of the cymbal with a shaker works well also. I can pick up sticks and drop them, but it is nice to not have to. I still have not bought a splash to go with it. I have not been off this Island in 5 or 6 months. I just want to be able to hit a few cymbals before I buy one. Anyway Yes this cymbal was a good buy for me. -
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Re: Playing cymbals with hands?
Fri, July 6, 2007 - 7:50 AMGood to know. Hmmmm........possibilities......
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