http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#2c692c39-9594-493d-ba9d-9e0ced83db1c Didn't see your posting here (I replied in the other thread you posted on the same topic). Here is that reply: The low frequency of the thump is going to be tricky to eliminate entirely. Here are some simple ideas to try: - a closed-cell foam pad. This is the kind of rubber pad people sleep on when they go camping. If you have a 1/2" thick pad this might be enough to reduce the sound. - don't use a bass drum pedal at all for practice during "sensitive" hours. Instead, just tap your foot (on a foam pad). - you may be able to still get a sound from the bass drum pad if you insert a thin rubber sheet between the beater and the pad. The stuff I'm thinking of is about 1/16" thick and can be bought at craft stores. It is sometimes called craft foam. One or two layers between the beater and the pad will probably reduce the sound and still trigger the pad. - you can actually build your own bass drum trigger, if you are handy with a soldering iron. You can probably make one that doesn't have a beater and doesn't hit a pad. It just senses when a magnet goes past a magnetic switch and sends a signal to the V-drums. This would be utterly silent, but would lack the feedback you probably expect from a bass drum. Still, it would be no worse than tapping your foot, but you'd hear something. The link below is for a video game (Rock Band) but may give you some ideas: http://imakeprojects.com/Projects/rock-band-dual-bass-drums-controller/ Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:25:37 GMT http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#2c692c39-9594-493d-ba9d-9e0ced83db1c hoco 2008-12-21T04:25:37Z http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#1be8e650-7f8c-458d-b81a-7c30b8424944 Hey Sky Congrats for getting a cool TD-20. I am thinking about getting one too. Waiting for the money to sum up :-) Just a few quick ideas concerning your sound problem: I don't think that the clunk itself is the problem. You don't need a soundproof room within the room as mentioned in this thread. The problem is not the sound in the room, but the sound resonating within and traveling through your floor into your neighbour's ceiling. If you succeed in preventing the sound to enter your floor, you won. You can accomplish this by using something heavy, like stone or sacks filled with (dry!!!) sand and using them as a base to build a stage on. The main thing is that the stuff absorbs the sound of your kick. It's shouldn't be too expensive but there will be some stone / sand humping and some carpenter's work :-) Maybe some hard styrofoam as a base could help too but there's a chance that the sound travels though it, since the stuff must be hard to support the podest's, your and the drum's weight. Besides, it's not as durable as the other materials mentioned. Another approach is to put the bass drum on a styrofoam layer to detach the drum from the ground. You might want to fix it with rubber or some other stuff so it doesn't skid when you're kicking. One question: There's more than one TD-20 bass drum / kick. Which one did you get? I believe the Pro series has a big bass drum, it might make less side noise than the small bass pad. Just a thought... Still, I would rather stick with the cooperation suggested by Rick instead of building a stage in your condo. Although the stage might impress the female visitors, you can light it with spots and stuff ;-) Btw, these are not tested solutions as described, only ideas. You might want to cross-check them with some audio engineer... There's a favour I'd like to ask you: I'd love to hear about your experiences with the TD-20. Did you have a accoustic set before ? What's are the differences? Are there technical limitations? Any other bugs, limitations, things you have to live with but rather wouldn't? Any information about your TD-20 experiences are very welcome, either here, or in my TD-20 question thread. Thanks in advance. And have a lot of phun wid dat Teedeetwentee of yours .-) Regards, LeDude Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:47:29 GMT http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#1be8e650-7f8c-458d-b81a-7c30b8424944 LeDude 2008-12-16T15:47:29Z http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#82627020-f8d2-4542-bdfb-373103fd813f Excellent advice, Rick. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:03:36 GMT http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#82627020-f8d2-4542-bdfb-373103fd813f Angus 2008-12-15T22:03:36Z http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#2bfb9a9f-a6bf-465c-9138-052e16402da4 In the last post I made, number 4) should have read: 4) Give them your telephone number and tell them that if there is ever a time when your playing is disruptive to them, to PLEASE CALL you and you will STOP IMMEDIATELY without any hard feelings. that last is an important part of the message to empower them to feeling in control of their situation viz a vis your practising. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:04:18 GMT http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#2bfb9a9f-a6bf-465c-9138-052e16402da4 Rick 2008-12-15T21:04:18Z http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#ce84c9a7-9c88-41d3-ae6f-f95b8f6661c8 One thing I've discovered (having taught in a home in the middle of the city for 30 years) is that people will let you do anything if they think that you are concerned about their feelings and if they feel that they freedom and power in their relationship with you. I'd go to this neighbor and be really frank: 1) You really love what you are doing and that it takes time to be able to practise and get better 2) That you specifically bought the electronic drums so as not to disturb people with a loud kit and then follow up with this 1) It's really important to you that you not be disturbing your neighbors head space 2) Ask your neighbor if it would be possible for them to give you some kind of schedule laying out the best times for you to practice so as NOT to bother them 3) Suggest that if there are times that they would be okay with you playing that you would be really willing to discipline yourself to confine yourself to those times. 4) Give them your telephone number and tell them that if there is ever a time when your playing is disruptive to them, to PLEASE CALL you and you will STOP IMMEDIATELY In this way, you are letting them know that you want their good blessings; that you don't want to be an insensitive neighbor; that they have the power to make you stop playing without being all or none about it. You might be surprised at how well it turns out. About soundproofing the 'clunk' of your electronic kick pedal there is not a hell of a lot you can do , short of building a room within a room in your place which would set you back $3,000-$5,000 (although there were details in a really old Modern Drummer about how to build a very cheap 'practise booth' using large hollow bricks (you the big grey ones that college kids use for cheap bookshelves), padding and then building a plexiglass/plywood frame on top of it. The important thing is that oxgen, as it turns out , is the best insulator, so you need to be able to raise your floor with some oxygen in between the layers. You also have to build a room within a room and both rooms need to be airtight. You might try archiving through old Modern Drummers to find the plans, It was pretty clever and didn't cost all that much money (a few hundred bucks as opposed to a few thousand bucks). Unfortunately, something that CLUNKS sporadically is much harder to listen to than even a kick drum, because of it's seeming randomness and it's lack of musicalisty, sonically speaking. What happens is that the human brain cannot turn off it's fight or flight mechanism: it was trained for millions of years to respond to anything random happening in the environment and to be able to get away from it or turn and fight it if it turned out to be a predator..............A loud clunking sound coming through the walls will elisist an unconcious adrenalation on the part of the inconvenient victim and they will become.........well, irritated. It's just nature. Good luck with it. Let us know how it turns out. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:01:07 GMT http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#ce84c9a7-9c88-41d3-ae6f-f95b8f6661c8 Rick 2008-12-15T21:01:07Z http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#d57c39f7-b75c-4314-9ca5-9b7cb0edb07a Man that IS a touchy neighbor. I had that problem with my electronic set and a landlord. Luckily her schedule was pretty set and so I would just play when I knew she was out. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:07:01 GMT http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#d57c39f7-b75c-4314-9ca5-9b7cb0edb07a Angus 2008-12-15T18:07:01Z http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#ecbbdc15-f14d-4297-8c6a-0f9f4f71196e I just got a set of Roland V drums (TD20), hoping I would get by playing them in my apartment. I've been practicing them mostly with head phones or even not on at all, just using them like practice kit and with all windows and doors closed. But I have a 'touchy' downstairs neighbor who is complaining. I think it's the kick that's the issue as I can't imagine the rest of the kit making enough noise to hear outside the apartment. So my question is; Does anyone have any ideas about designs for a short riser or some way to pad or somehow to reduce the "thump"? Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:48:22 GMT http://ilikedrums.tribe.net/thread/2100b6f8-2236-46c3-864c-91e5000ab188#ecbbdc15-f14d-4297-8c6a-0f9f4f71196e Sky 2008-12-15T01:48:22Z